Channel72 said:

The “no attachments” thing isn’t explicit in Phantom Menace, but I guess it’s implied during that scene when Yoda lays out the “Sith pipeline”: Fear --> Anger --> Hate --> Suffering

The “fear” phase is definitely related to Anakin being afraid of losing his mom, because Yoda points out he’s afraid of losing her right before saying this.

I’ve seen lots of people say Yoda’s quote about fear is very profound. Personally, I never really understood it very well, because the connection between fear and anger doesn’t seem obvious to me. There’s certain specific types of fear and anger that could definitely be linked (the usual obvious example is xenophobia), but that’s obviously not what Yoda means here. He’s clearly talking about fear of loss.

But even fear of loss doesn’t exactly fit the context. Anakin misses his mom. Missing someone isn’t exactly the same as fear of losing them, which muddles this a bit.

Also… Anakin is 10. Of course he misses his mom.

This. Very much this.

SpenceEdit said:

Here’s a bit of the love story. Instead of transitioning from their kiss by the water back to Kenobi, I decided to transition to the following morning. It flows a bit better (I know that transition has been super tricky for editors) but it also goes from a kiss to the following morning which kind of implies that Anakin and Padme had… aggressive negotiations.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NoCCZoq6uipc49smsA8kBghnHxbgPzNB/view?usp=share_link

Wouldn’t it be better if there was just no kiss at all? In my edit, I’ve just trimmed out the fireplace scene and removed the kiss. This way, we go from “We have feelings for each other” to “Yes we have, but we can’t be together”, and we finally end with “Our love is too strong to be kept under control, so let’s be together anyway”. I think it’s a more fluid approach to the love story, without the first kiss at all.

Mocata said:

But the whole reason they resonated so much with people is that they articulated very large problems with the films rather than nitpicks. Just look at the whole Jango Fett subcontracting meme someone posted recently. Or the way the Clone Wars is started under such incredibly weird and suspicious circumstances. The whole trilogy is like that; strange and massive logic holes. But each to their own, nobody has time to argue like it’s 2009 these days y’know.

My philosophy is the following:

I personally manage to appreciate and enjoy the Prequels for what they are, and I understand the plot quite well. Sure, there are some things I’d like to change, but nothing so radical. So, they’re mostly fine for me. We have been discussing these movies for over twenty years now, and in my opinion we have reached a point where it’s no longer even worth discussing, because everything and its opposite has already been said. All sorts of opinions have already been abundantly expressed, therefore there’s no need to say anything anymore. Giving that internet has given us the possibility of making fan edits and rewrites, let’s just use them. You don’t like the Prequels? Fine, then rewrite them. You like the Prequels but you want to improve them? Fine, then fanedit them according to what you want to see. Don’t waste even a single minute discussing about the movies, just take them and modify them the way you want, or rewrite them completely. To each their own. When we’ll die and go to Heaven, then God will tell us who was write this whole time, and who wasn’t.

That’s it.

darklordoftech said:

If the prequels are the Soviet Union, the Plinkett reviews are Joe McCarthy. The Plinkett reviews are so nitpicky and make such stupid complaints about the prequels that they make constructive criticism of the prequels harder.

This.

I opened a thread similar to this a few months ago, when I still had my old account (Darth Malgus). At the time, the thread was only about my Attack of the Clones fan edit. But in the last few months, I’ve decided that editing only Attack of the Clones isn’t enough for me. I want to edit the whole Prequel Trilogy now. For this reason, I need the help of someone who has good editing skills.

I have some problems that prevent me from doing these edits myself. I’ve already explained them in the thread I opened with my old account, but I’ll explain them again, as a reminder for everyone:

• First problem: I’m completely blind from my right eye, and although I see with my left eye, I see very, very little. Therefore, I find it very difficult to stand for too long in front of a computer screen. Even just reading very long things ends up giving me big headaches, it’s very tiring for me. In fact, I use a vocal synthesis to read what’s written on the screen, I never use my eyes to read, because I see very little and it’s very tiring for me to read with my own eyes. I mean, I can handle watching a movie on TV or on my computer, but watching a screen for more than 4 hours really starts hurting me. For this reason I can’t put a lot of effort in my edits.
• Second problem: my computer isn’t exactly the best computer in the world. It’s a low-quality Lenovo computer, which often crashes even for small things and can’t handle too heavy softwares. Every time I try to open a video editing program my computer freezes and I can’t go on. My computer sucks so much, that even just using audacity for more than a half-hour has often resulted in the total crush of the computer, with the result that I had to restart the computer. Therefore, using a video editing program, even a very light one, is out of the question. And I unfortunately don’t have enough money to buy another computer.

The goal of my edits is to modify Anakin’s character a bit. In my edits, Anakin is supposed to still be awkward, rebellious and impulsive, especially in Attack of the Clones, but at the same time he’s not supposed to be as whiny as in the original movies. He’s also not supposed to be as dark as in the original Prequel Trilogy. In fact, I’m planning to avoid making him killing the younglings in Revenge of the Sith, and I want to cut the scene in which he confesses his massacre of the Tuskens to Padmé. I still want to leave the scene in which he gets crazy and kills everyone, but by cutting the confession scene in Attack of the Clones, everything can remain as vague as possible, and therefore we can assume that he only killed a few, adult, male Tuskens, without having killed women and children too. In short, I want to modify the Prequels in order to make Anakin the type of guy that’s rebellious, impulsive, arrogant, and has issues with his inner darkness, but at the same time has a real, and clearly visible good side. I want to preserve the original Anakin as much as possible, but at the same time, I also want to make him a bit more relatable and less dark (at least prior to Mustafar), so that his redemption in Return of the Jedi is much more convincing. Basically, I want to preserve the Prequels as much as possible, but at the same time, I also want to cut all the things that make some people say: “Anakin was a horrible, selfish piece of sh** from the start, and didn’t deserve redemption.”

But, as I said, these problems prevent me from creating this Prequel edits by myself, and that’s why I need the help of someone else. Since I pretty much like the Prequels the way they are, the changes I want to make to the movies are not very radical. I just want to cut some scenes, put some deleted scenes back into the movies, and change the titles of the movies. Also, big chunks of Hal 9000’s edits will be basically copied and pasted into my own edits, so there isn’t even the need of trimming any specific dialogue.

Hal 9000 already helped me with my Attack of the Clones fan edit, but he’s very busy lately, therefore I don’t want to disturb him anymore.

Is there anyone on the forum willing to help me? I already have a prepared list with all the changes I want to make to the movies, so I can post it here, if you want.

Let me know if someone is interested in helping me.

Palpatine does not appear. Snoke is the villain throughout (even on Exegol!).
Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozgt7T98sVg

As Dev Dog already said, that’s insane! I can’t wait to see your edits to be completed! Though, I suggest you to open a separate thread for them.

I like the intent behind this project. However, I think there are some problems with this idea:

1. If these edits are supposed to fit within the Legends timeline, then where the Thrawn Trilogy is supposed to take place? I mean, your edits take place after Return of the Jedi, and you even said that Jacen and Jaina are already born in them. So, where the Thrawn Trilogy is placed in this new timeline? It can’t happen before your Duology, because Jacen and Jaina are born precisely in the Thrawn Trilogy. If Ben Solo is the first son of Han and Leia and was born before Jacen and Jaina, then he should have been born before the Thrawn Trilogy. But there’s no mention of him in the trilogy, therefore he can’t be born before Jacen and Jaina. Also, the Thrawn Trilogy can’t happen after your Duology either, because Luke, Leia, and Han look way older in your edits than in the Thrawn Trilogy. So the Thrawn Trilogy can’t happen neither before or after your Sequel Duology. If it happens before, then everything doesn’t line up as far as Ben, Jacen and Jaina’s births are concerned. And if it happens after, then the appearance of the characters doesn’t align with what’s described in the Thrawn Trilogy itself.
   Maybe you could reply by saying: “Well, I could just say that the Thrawn Trilogy simply never happened, and is entirely replaced by my edits.” But unfortunately you can’t do this either, for the following reasons: 1) the events of the Thrawn Trilogy are often mentioned in the New Jedi Order series, so it must have happened at some point; 2) if you rule it out you don’t have anything depicting Jacen and Jaina’s birth, and if their existence isn’t even mentioned in your Duology, then everything would become very convoluted and wouldn’t make much sense.
2. The Dark Empire Trilogy has the same problems as the Thrawn Trilogy in regards to your edits. Anakin Solo is one of the main characters in the New Jedi Order series, therefore if you want to leave the series intact, you must include Anakin Solo’s backstory. But he was born precisely in the Dark Empire Trilogy, so if you rule it out you don’t have anything depicting his birth, and it wouldn’t make sense to leave it out considering that the events of the Dark Empire Trilogy are often mentioned in subsequent works, especially when Anakin Solo is involved as the main character of a certain story. Besides, just like the Thrawn Trilogy, you can’t place Dark Empire neither after or before your Duology. If you place it before, then again, Ben, Jacen and Jaina’s births would become messy. And if you place it after, the appearance of the characters wouldn’t make any sense, as they look way much younger in the comics than in your Duology.
3. Mara Jade and Luke were already married when the Yuuzhan Vong invasion started. If your edits are supposed to happen before the Vong invasion, where’s Mara Jade then? Why she allowed Luke to leave her and go around the Galaxy alone after Ben’s rebellion? It wouldn’t make sense if they are together already, because she would have never left Luke alone.
4. Since Ben doesn’t appear in the NJO, he should die before the Vong invasion. However, you didn’t seem to have planned any death for him in your edits. How do you want to solve this problem?

If you have solutions for these problems, then I’d like to hear them, and see how you want to solve them within the context of your edits.

Anjohan said:

AotC Inclusion Clip

The clip with more finetuned foley:

https://streamable.com/nf9lw0 (No Obi-Wan deepfake here)

Deepfake

And since so many dislike Obi-Wan’s “aged” appearance (although I don’t mind, since AotC aged Ewan McGregor up with prosthetics and makeup), here’s the Obi-Wan deepfake:

https://streamable.com/3oslfa

Bear in mind that Ewan McGregor did some prosthetics work to appear older in the Prequels, so he has different appearance of his eyebrows. I think I struck a balance here tho, merging the deepfake and the original part. The deepfake alone made his face significantly different from his original, more aged appearance.

Only did the 3-4 first shots of Obi-Wan since it’s so time consuming. If it’s good enough, I can probably do the whole schtick. At least the necessary shots. Many of the dueling close-ups with blue glow are definitely not necessary and will be a nightmare anyway.

Mmhh… I think Hayden’s voice at the beginning (not throughout the entire duel, just at the beginning, before they start duelling) could be replaced with an AI generated voice. Eleven Labs can reproduce Anakin’s voice from the Prequels almost perfectly, to the point that it’s even in distinguishable from the original voice. So, it could be used to match his younger tone of voice from the rest of the movie. Also, I don’t know if it’s me, but I see that the video is a bit jarring. Anyway, overall it’s pretty fine, although I would cut off the background noise of the speeders going around the city at the beginning (it doesn’t make much sense to hear it since we don’t see any speeders going around), and replace it with Anakin’s theme, like others did in their edits of the scene.

If we don’t count the Sequels and spin-offs, then C3PO is the most annoying character. Yes, he’s even more annoying than Jar Jar in my opinion.

Personally, I’d like to incorporate the duel in my edit of Attack of the Clones, by putting it in between of the deleted scene with Padmé addressing the Senate and Padmé’s private meeting with Palpatine. However, I’m still waiting for the perfect cut of the duel to be realized. We need a cut that fits perfectly with the colour and tone of the rest of the movie, with a credible voice change for Anakin (his voice is too deep in the original duel), with a less aggressive behavior from Anakin’s part, and with a perfect de-aged appearance of the characters. Also, the brightness of the lightsabers must be turned down dramatically, because in the rest of the movie the lightsabers aren’t as bright as in the original duel. None of this stuff has yet been accomplished satisfactorily in my opinion, so I’m still waiting.

Channel72 said:

Spartacus01 said:

I can’t imagine Vader saying “Liar!! You’re with him! You brought him here to kill me!”

No, he just said: “You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!”

Prequel Anakin would have said something like “Traitor!! You’re with the Rebels! You’ve turned against us!! I will not let you get away with this!” or whatever.

He’d also pace back and forth while saying it. Then an Imperial officer would inform him that an escape pod with no lifeforms crashed on the surface of Tatooine. After realizing what planet they were orbiting, Anakin would tell his crew to initiate an orbital bombardment to kill all Sandpeople and also destroy all sand, after suspecting Leia was here as part of some nefarious sand-related plot to overthrow the Empire. He would then yell out to nobody in particular, saying “I now see through their lies! I will make them pay for their coarse, rough and irritating plotting against my Empire!!!1! It’s all Obi Wan’s fault!!”

This looks like more a parody of an argument based on internet memes than a real argument.

I can’t imagine Vader saying “Liar!! You’re with him! You brought him here to kill me!”

No, he just said: “You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!”

When I hear about the story of Lucifer’s rebellion against God and his fall to Hell, for some reason, I always imagine Lucifer with the appearance of young Hayden Christensen from Revenge of the Sith. In my opinion, from a purely aesthetic point of view, Hayden has all the cards on the table to interpret Lucifer in a hypothetical movie about the fall of Lucifer from Heaven. You can argue as much as you want about Hayden’s acting skills, but you can’t deny that watching a movie like that would be like watching Dark Anakin from Revenge of the Sith for two consecutive hours, and that would be epic

When Vader is angry, he’s definitely colder than when young Anakin was angry. When he was angry, young Anakin showed his emotions more openly, unlike Vader who showed his anger much more coldly. However, in my opinion they are not different characters, but simply two different behaviors of the same character. After all, when Vader was already a servant of the Emperor, he had nothing left. I think his cold and calculating behavior is due to the fact that he was completely lonely and had nothing left to lose, he no longer had anything that made him feel really connected to anything, he had nothing that made him feel that his emotions were really worth expressing . Only when he realized that Luke was his son he did begin to express his emotions more openly, which is why in Return of the Jedi we see him acting a bit more like Hayden from the Prequels. There’s no contradiction between the two attitudes. When a person loses everything and has nothing to care about, it often happens that this person becomes much colder and more reserved, and that he shows his anger less emotionally than when he still had something that mattered to him. This is something that often happens in many movies and with many characters, and it’s not a contradiction.

Spam alert!

Can someone delete this thread and ban this guy?

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Get-Expert-Help-with-American-Airlines-Customer-Service/id/103775

You know, this is one of those times in which I regret not being a native English speaker. I would love to discuss these things, but I manage to consistently express my thoughts on these complex issues only in my first language. Ugh… It’s so annoying!

G&G-Fan said:

Bro really just hated on Buddhism, that’s kinda racist

Also if you actually took the time to learn the Buddhist principle of non-attachment you’d learn it’s basic common sense.

“The Buddhist concept of non-attachment is a constructive way to approach relationships. Here, attachment refers to an attempt to control things that you can’t control. When you try to grasp or control something outside of yourself, this causes suffering for yourself and the other person.”

I admit that I tend to be a very truthful person, and that I sometimes tend to throw completely unmotivated hatred at random. However, I actually don’t disagree with all the principles of Buddhist philosophy, I just think that a literal interpretation of them is not good, because I’m a very passionate person who thinks that the end justifies the means, to a certain extent. In any case, racism has nothing to do with my partial distaste towards Buddhism, because Buddhism is not a race, Buddhism is just a philosophy. Just as I don’t like Positivism, I don’t like Buddhism either. This has nothing to do with the racial affiliation of those who created these philosophies. Positivism was created by Westerners, Buddhism was created in India, and regardless of the racial affiliation of their creators, I don’t like both philosophies very much.

If you want, we can start a discussion about the validity of the Buddhist philosophy, but since it’s off topic in regards to the Prequel Trilogy, I don’t think this is the best place to do that. So maybe we can open a thread in the real life section of the forum. I just wanted to make it clear that racism has nothing to do with this.

Servii said:
This might be an unpopular opinion, but the whole idea of Jedi compassion where they “love everybody in a non-attached way” isn’t that great. It goes against human nature. If you try to love everybody in the world equally, you end up with a very shallow form of love.

This, this! Very much this!

G&G-Fan said:
The worshipping of Ahsoka and Qui-Gon, the hate on the Jedi like Obi-Wan, Yoda and Mace Windu, and how it’s warped the fanbase into believing that the prequels are actually a super brilliant critique on the Jedi Order.

The worshipping of Ahsoka is bad, I don’t like it either. Everything else is good, and should have been the actual interpretation of the Prequels (maybe it could have been if Lucas wasn’t obsessed with pseudo-Eastern bulshit).

Look, I actually criticize Filoni very much, but this is one of those times in which I prefer his interpretation over Lucas’, not only because it’s much more compelling, but also because it works better with what’s shown on screen in the actual Prequel Trilogy.

We were told Vader was seduced to the dark side, not that he was a poor baby victim of bad Jedi teachings.

One thing doesn’t exclude the other. It can be both things at the same time, like 50/50. As I’ve said multiple times, the blame for Anakin’s fall shouldn’t be traced to just one person or a single group of people, but it can also be attributed to everyone at the same time, for different reasons. Everyone played a role.

We were also told the Jedi were in their prime before the Empire.

What Obi-Wan told to Luke could also be seen as a highly romanticized version of the events. I mean, of course Obi-Wan had to keep Luke fascinated and intrigued, so that he could eventually feel motivated enough as to embrace the Jedi path. In my opinion, to criticize stuff based on a literal interpretation of the Original Trilogy dialogue leads you nowhere. If everyone thought like this, then every Star Wars movie would suck except for Star Wars '77, because all the other movies more or less contradict some piece of dialogue from the original movie.

Mocata said:

If only George had relinquished control and given directorial duties to others like with the OT it might have worked out better. But by that stage he believed his own legend so having another film like ESB with the likes of Kurtz and Kersh having creative input was impossible.

No, that’s not true. Lucas actually didn’t want to direct the Prequel Trilogy. He asked three different directors to direct the Prequels, including Steven Spielberg. But all these directors rejected his offer and said that he should do that himself, since they all trusted him and were convinced that he would do a great job. So, it’s not that George was arrogant, complacent or excessively self-confident, it’s just that he was forced to do it himself because everybody rejected his proposals. Also, what you’ve described is exactly what happened with Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. In that movie George was the man of the ideas, while Spielberg was the director. Guess what, everybody hated that movie anyway. So George having more control over the movies is not the real problem here, because people got what they wanted and still complained about it. In my opinion, the real problem is that people had too high expectations back when the Prequels were coming out, so it was virtually impossible to satisfy everyone. Of course the Prequels have some problems, and I’ve listed some of these problems in one of my previous posts. But I still think they’re not the disastrous movies everybody here like to depict them as.

I want to give my full opinion on the subject, because it almost may seem that I’m a Prequel apologist, when it’s not true.

In my opinion the Original Trilogy is better executed than the Prequels in terms of story and pacing. Yes, I don’t have many problems with most of the acting or the dialogue, but I think that some plot points were executed poorly. However, with some adjustments, edits and with the insertion of some deleted scenes, I think the Prequels can become as good as the Original Trilogy. That’s why I started creating my personal Prequel fan edits, because I think the movies are not as bad as everybody says, but they would be even better if they were fixed and trimmed in some parts.

The romance in Attack of the Clones is a clear example of this. I like the idea of Anakin being a socially and romantically illiterate teenager with a very awkward behaviour, but sometimes the execution was a bit over the top, so I just trimmed out some lines to make Anakin’s awkwardness to be more believable. Also, I never liked the scene where Anakin and Padmé kissed on the balcony near the Naboo lake, because I think their kiss on Geonosis, on the verge of death, should be their first kiss. Therefore, I’ve cut off that scene and replaced it with the deleted scene where the two of them have dinner with Padmé’s parents, then I removed every mention of the kiss from the fireplace scene, and I’ve also trimmed out some of Anakin’s monologue from that scene, to make it feel more consistent with the rest of his speeches throughout the movie. This way, the romance turns out to be more gradual and has a believable amount of awkwardness, but at the same time 90% of the original dialogue is still preserved. The romance is 80% believable in my opinion, but I’ve trimmed it out enough as to make it 100% believable (at least for me).

The Phantom Menace is another clear example of this. I have no problems with most of the plot, most of the acting, most of the dialogue, etc, but I think Jar Jar’s behavior is over the top in some parts. Jar Jar is a character whose clumsy and stupid behavior is supposed to counterbalance the serious behavior of the Jedi and Padmé, but at times his clumsiness is exaggerated beyond belief. Therefore, my intention is to cut some of his over the top behavior, thus leaving only the parts in which is clumsiness is believable, and can serve as a fresh and wholesome counterbalance to the Jedi’s and Padmé’s serious and stoic behaviour. Also, I don’t have a problem with most of the little Ani stuff, but I think the movie would benefit a lot from a simple change: instead of being accidental, I think it would be better if the destruction of the Trade Federation’s mothership was intentional on Anakin’s part. So, my intention is to basically adjust everything to make Anakin’s takeoff from the platform, his going into space and his destruction of the mothership as intentional on his part, to reinforce the image of the “best star-pilot in the Galaxy” of which Obi-Wan talks about in A New Hope.

What am I trying to say with this speech? Well, it’s simple: are the Prequels perfect? No, but it’s nothing so serious that it can’t be fixed by a simple fan edit, at least in my opinion.

StarkillerAG said:

Well, no matter how old you are, I really hope you’re lying, because basing your entire personality on a fictional child murderer is… questionable.

I’m sorry, but who said I base my personality on Anakin’s? I simply said that my way of talking in real life is similar to the way people talk in the Prequel Trilogy, and so it doesn’t bother me. That’s all. It seems to me that you’re all teaming up against me just because I’m not shitting on the Prequels.

Fan_edit_fan said:

Spartacus01 said:

StarkillerAG said:

Spartacus01 said:

a movie so poorly written as AOTC.

Yeah… No.

“Just being around her again is… intoxicating.”
“Attachments… FORbidden.”
“I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.”
“Don’t leave. Your presence is soothing.”
And of course, the ultimate example:
“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything’s soft… and smooth.”

I’m sorry, but if you can’t see how crappy half the dialogue in AOTC is (especially whenever Anakin’s on screen), you’re delusional. And the extremely subpar directing doesn’t do it any favors either.

Yeah, that’s basically the way I talk to people every day, and everyone loves me for that. So no, of course I don’t hate it.

Dude how old are you? Hahah. Let it go.

I’m 22. What does my age have to do with this discussion?

StarkillerAG said:

Spartacus01 said:

a movie so poorly written as AOTC.

Yeah… No.

“Just being around her again is… intoxicating.”
“Attachments… FORbidden.”
“I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.”
“Don’t leave. Your presence is soothing.”
And of course, the ultimate example:
“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything’s soft… and smooth.”

I’m sorry, but if you can’t see how crappy half the dialogue in AOTC is (especially whenever Anakin’s on screen), you’re delusional. And the extremely subpar directing doesn’t do it any favors either.

Yeah, that’s basically the way I talk to people every day, and everyone loves me for that. So no, of course I don’t hate it.

a movie so poorly written as AOTC.

Yeah… No.