Spartacus01

Guys, in the last month and a half, i managed to get in contact with a guy on Reddit, who is helping me to finish my Attack of the Clones edit. The problem is, yes, he managed to do the changes I asked him to do, but he didn’t manage to put them into the actual movie. That is, he only modified the individual scenes I asked him to modify and then sent me those modified scenes, but he didn’t put them into the movie. So, I was wondering if there was anyone on the forum who is willing to help me to put these modified scenes in their place. You don’t need to modify anything, because I already have the scenes. You just have to put these modified scenes into my already existing edit.

Basically, the thing would work more or less like this:

1. I send you the link to my (incomplete) edit;
2. I send you the links to the individual scenes that the guy managed to modify;
3. You put those modified scenes into my already existing edit.

The scenes that this guy managed to modify are the same that I described in my above post, so it’s mostly stuff surrounding the Battle of Geonosis and the Droid Factory scene.

Let me know if someone can help me.

Caston, I was not trying to say that George is infallible and never made mistakes. I’m well aware of the fact that sometimes he lied and made bad decisions. In fact, I agree with what you said about George lying about the EU and mistreating the EU authors and the EU fans. I also agree with you about the fact that he lied when he said that Star Wars was always supposed to be about Anakin. All I was trying to say is that I vastly prefer George over Disney, and that it’s not George’s fault if Star Wars is bad today.

George erasing the contribution of Marcia Lucas and others in Star Wars?

I don’t remember George ever denying that Marcia had a great role in the development of the Original Trilogy. I think that all he wanted to erase was the notion that the Original Trilogy was good despite of him, and not because of him. Especially because there are some people (I’m not talking about you specifically) that seem to think that the Original Trilogy was good exclusively because of Marcia. I think that George’s intent was not trying to erase the contributions of Marcia and others to the Original Trilogy, but simply making it clear that he always was the head of the editing process, and that if the Original Trilogy ended up like we know it today was ultimately because of him, since he always had to approve everything before it was done.

George creating the Special Edition and then attempting to erase the unaltered cuts of the OT?

George attempting to erase the original cuts of the Original Trilogy? Sure, that’s something I don’t like either, and I obviously criticize George for that. But creating Special Editions was a legit decision, especially because there were some things that absolutely needed to be changed (for example, Palpatine’s appearance in Empire Strikes Back). The fact that George added changes to the original movies is not bad per se. What’s bad is the fact that he always changed his mind all the time, was not able to agree with himself about the definitive changes he wanted to introduce to the movies, and tried to erase the original versions. But other than that, I don’t think that creating Special Editions was a bad idea in itself, as well as declaring the Special Editions as the Canon version of the movies.

For some reason you appear to have completely skipped over or ignored Minch’s above points?

It’s not that I skipped those points, it’s just that I was not arguing against the idea that George made bad decisions and sometimes lied, so I didn’t need to talk about that. My point was completely different.

He accused some fans of making up claims the films had racist stereotypes in TPM because they simply didn’t like Jar Jar? Or something along those lines? I’d have to look it up to be sure, so I could be likely wrong on that.

George is on record saying he wants his things his own way and doesn’t really care what the fans think. Something about throwing rocks at him, so he will do it his way or something? There are interviews and articles that appear in threads on here where George is being a prick to fans with his choices, decisions and reasoning. He seems to have got more prickly, to appearing to have had some sort of character change around the time of the SE’s and PT. Those OT Index and TCvsSE Index threads on here have a lot of the articles, quotes and interviews, if you’re interested.

What does this have to do with what I said before? I simply said that George has never accused the fans who didn’t like the Prequel Trilogy of being the reason of why he decided to sell Star Wars, and what you just said does not disprove my thesis. I’m not saying that George didn’t criticize the fans that didn’t like the Prequels, I’m simply saying that he didn’t say that they were the reason of why he decided to sell Star Wars. That’s it.

Disney calls anyone who doesn’t appreciate the Sequel Trilogy a “fake fan”, a “racist”, or a “sexist”? You’re obviously being hyperbolic with that claim. They’ve called out the racism, sexism, and some disingenuous fan views? (for money or subscribers?) for when they saw it that at the time. Good for them.

I know that some Disney employees accused everyone who doesn’t like the Sequel Trilogy and Rey’s character to be a sexist. I have seen some screenshots along those lines with some Disney-owned Lucasfilm employees talking that way in regards to the fans. Not to mention, Pablo Hidalgo often bullied and mocked EU fans in the past years, especially on Twitter. All I was trying to say is that this kind of stuff didn’t happen when Lucasfilm was still in control of George. Because let’s be honest guys, George’s harshest criticism of the fans who didn’t like the Prequel Trilogy was that they didn’t understand the movies. That’s all. But he never openly mocked them, and never denied the fact that they were true fans with the right to enjoy what they want.

If you want to see George’s “intellectually honesty” give Minch’s post another read, then that “GL Unreliable Narrator and Time Travelling Revisionist” thread and the OT Index a read, also. He may be more honest than Disney? But still, a low bar.

Yeah… No. What you said here has no relevance to my point, because I was not talking about George’s intellectual honesty in general, I was simply talking about his intellectual honesty in regards to the fans who didn’t like the Prequels.

Firstly, what’s really bad is not the Karma for George, but the total lack of punctuation in your post.

Secondly, we can say many things about George, but to blame him for the total mess that Star Wars has become today is exaggerated. If Star Wars today is mostly bad, it’s not George’s fault but fault of who is directing and writing Star Wars nowadays. Since they’re in control of Star Wars, then they are also responsible for what’s happening with Star Wars today. It is not Lucas’ fault if the Sequels are bad, it is fault of who wrote and directed the Sequels. It is not Lucas’ fault if The Mandalorian is a mediocre show, it is fault of who wrote and directed The Mandalorian. It is not Lucas’ fault if the Kenobi series is unwatchable, it is fault of the people who wrote and directed the Kenobi series. Everyone has to take responsibility for their own actions, so blaming Lucas for something he didn’t do is intellectually dishonest. Also, George has never blamed the fans who don’t like the Prequel Trilogy for anything. He never said that the fans who didn’t like the Prequels are the reason he sold Star Wars. He has always reiterated that he sold Star Wars because he was tired, and wanted to spend his old age with his family. In fact, I believe that George was more intellectually honest than many of the people who work for Disney Star Wars, because contrary to Disney, which calls anyone who doesn’t appreciate the Sequel Trilogy a “fake fan”, a “racist”, or a “sexist”, George always said that even the fans who despised the Prequels should be considered fans, and always called them fans, even in the interviews in which he openly criticize them.

The thing is, most of the contradictions between TCW and the Multimedia Project are not even Filoni’s fault, but Lucas’ fault. TCW was Lucas’ pet project, he had complete creative control over it, and decided whatever something was good enough as to be shown in the series, or not. He decided everything, so he’s the only responsible for the contradictions between TCW and the EU. In fact, from what I’ve come to understand, Filoni’s original plan for TCW was very different from the show we got. He initially planned to create a circumscribed story that would have revolved around a specific group of characters. The group he had in mind was supposed to be the crew of a ship going on various adventures during the Clone Wars. Apparently he didn’t want Anakin and Obi-Wan to be part of the show, precisely in order to avoid contradicting the Clone Wars Multimedia Project. But it seems that George rejected the idea and wanted Anakin and Obi-Wan to be part of the show, so Filoni agreed, accepted George’s conditions and started working on TCW by following George’s desire of having Anakin and Obi-Wan is prominent characters in the show. Don’t get me wrong, nowadays Filoni acts like a hack, who doesn’t respect the work of other people and doesn’t mind contradicting it. But I don’t think he always had this behavior. I believe that he was initially a genuine EU fan who didn’t want to contradict the established continuity, until George taught him that continuity doesn’t really matter, with the result that Filoni took this attitude from George and started saying to himself: “Well, if George doesn’t respect continuity, then why should I respect it? You know what? I don’t want to care about anyone else’s story, I just want to do my own thing.” So, if anyone is to blame for TCW’s faults in terms of continuity, then it’s Lucas, not Filoni. At least not entirely.

Superweapon VII said:

Humby said:

Superweapon VII said:

Darth Tremor said:

The issue is Ahsoka. I like her, but Vader’s line, “when I left you I was a learner, now I am the Master,” indicates Vader was never a Jedi Master as Anakin.

Or a full knight for that matter. Just another bit of OT continuity Lucas either forgot or ignored when writing the prequels.

I’ve always been of the mindset that we fans can often take dialogue too literally. This is a case of that for me. After 20 years of experience, a medical doctor would certainly acknowledge that they were still a learner in their first few years out of med school, even though they may still hold the same title. The line is just meant to establish the dynamic of the characters in the scene, it’s not meant to be expository.

To make the case for this particular topic, you’d be better off using Obi-Wan’s line to Luke that Vader “was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil.” Because that IS meant to be expository. But for me personally, even that is vague enough to allow for some wiggle room, as many young (and even older) professionals in the real world have pupil/mentor relationships with others in their field who simply have more experience.

I think we often need to give character dialogue the freedom of having been generalized, abbreviated, obfuscated, etc… because that’s just how humans communicate. We use shorthand, we leave out unnecessary details, we avoid painful discussions. And it doesn’t always paint an accurate picture of our experiences. Just my 2 cents.

If Filoni contradicts the Clone Wars multimedia project, it’s a great sin. But if Lucas contradicts the EU, or the OT novelizations, or the OT itself, in roll the appeals to ad hoc retcons, headcanon, and George’s Vision™. After so many years of this crap, I’m at the end of my rope with it.

I too have the kind of behavior that you are talking about, but I’m not as hypocritical as the people you described. I have two main reasons of why I complain about certain contradictions while ignoring others:

Firstly, my personal taste. I don’t try to hide my personal taste behind “George’s vision” and bulshit like that. I’m intellectually honest, so I admit that one of the reasons of why I don’t care about the contradictions between the Prequels and the pre-1999 EU, while complaining about the contradictions between TCW and the Multimedia Project, is because I like the Prequels and dislike TCW in the first place. I vastly prefer Georgia’s version of the Clone Wars over what Timothy Zhan had in mind, and I generally don’t even care about the post-ROTJ EU anyway, so I’m more than willing to ignore those contradictions. I’m not afraid to say it, I don’t want to make up any excuse for it, and I don’t want to hide my personal taste behind someone else’s vision.

Secondly, I don’t think that the contradictions between the Prequels and the EU were as deep as the contradictions between TCW and the EU.
Before the de-canonization of the EU, the authors and those that were in charge of continuity managed to solve the contradictions between the EU and the Prequels in a way that is more than convincing for me. They made up pretty sensible explanations for those contradictions, they even created entire comics just to solve contradictions, and I’m fine with the explanations they gave. On the other hand, they never managed to solve the contradictions between TCW and the EU, simply because they were so deep that they couldn’t be solved in the first place. So much so, that a couple of years ago Leland Chee himself said on Instagram that solving those contradictions is literally impossible, and that he himself sees the Clone Wars Multimedia Project as the real version of the Clone Wars.
And don’t get me wrong guys, I’m not saying that the explanations they gave to solve the contradictions between the Prequels and the EU make sense from an objective point of view. I’m simply saying that they make sense FOR ME, and that this (other than my personal taste) is the reason of why I don’t complain much about these contradictions.

I would not envy someone learning it as a second language.

The problem is that you have to learn English, because it’s the most spoken language in the world, and also because everything internationally is done using the English language. If you have to travel for work in a country where the inhabitants speak a language that you don’t speak, then the only alternative you have to make yourself understood is by speaking English. Furthermore, even if you work in your own country you have to learn English, because if tourists come you have to know how to interact with them. So much so that here, in Italy, learning English is almost mandatory in order to have a job. So yes, I wish I didn’t have to learn English, but unfortunately I have to…

Squeaky Water Wheel said:

This all sounds pretty good! I do have one recommendation though. You should add the scene were Jocasta-Nu tells Obi-wan about Count Dooku. You may have to add the rest of the scene back with obi-wan trying to find Komino but I think it’s worth it. Dooku is the main antagonist of the movie so it’s good to know who he is and where he came from. It also alludes to his motivation for going against the Republic.

The problem with that scene is that the special effects were never completed, so the scene looks extremely rough and incomplete. That’s basically the reason of why no one ever adds that scene to any fan edit of the movie. All of us would love to add that scene to our own fan edits, but we first need a VFX artists (or someone like that) to finish the special effects first, and no one yet has ever tried to do that.

Don’t get me wrong, I respect your way to interpret the movies and the way you want to make Anakin/Vader’s character look like, and I obviously don’t want to say that your intentions for the movies and the character are wrong, because everyone is free to do whatever he thinks it’s right for these movies. But your Revenge of the Sith edit (and also your other two edits) is one of the examples of why I ultimately don’t like the Canon Vader and prefer his Legends counterpart. I prefer Vader being a week, pathetic man who intentionally makes excuses for his actions, even though he knows deep down that what he did and what he’s doing is wrong. I don’t like Vader being a cool badass that kills everyone and is deeply convinced that he’s doing good for the Galaxy.

I agree with what Squeaky Water Wheel said.

It seems that it is.

I hate that I’m not able to have complex, articulate discussions in English.

English and Italian have two completely different ways of expressing and structuring sentences. And since I’m Italian, I’m obviously accustomed to the way Italian is spoken and the way sentences and speeches are structured in Italian, with the result that every time I want to try to have a complex discussion in English, I can never structure well my sentences and speeches as I’d like to. When I have to express basic concepts ranging from point A to point B, I’m perfectly able to express myself in English without any problem and without difficulty in making myself understood by others. But when I have to talk about complex, articulate and nuanced issues, then I can never structure my speeches and sentences as well as I would like, always ending up being forced to give up any discussion.

I hate this situation, it’s very annoying for me!

philraid said:

Caston said:

philraid said:

1. Clone Wars (2003)- Well-animated, lots of good action scenes, and it does a good job bridging the gap between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.

It is so pleasing to see this series still gets much love and respect.

I always feel like I’m one of the few people that prefers it over the other Clone Wars show (granted more people have seen the latter), but yeah it’s really good. It still has the best depiction of General Grievous.

I also prefer the older Clone Wars to TCW.

G&G-Fan said:

Servii said:

I was expecting it to be the Plinkett reviews. Nope, it’s the opposite lol

it’s the Ego the Living Planet of Prequel defenders

Channel72 said:

The Prequels are awesome because they’re stylistically designed to be that way.

G&G-Fan said:

Channel72 said:

The Prequels are awesome because they’re stylistically designed to be that way.

The Prequels are good because they quote shots better movies.

Marooned Biker Scout said:

thxlogofan17 said:

it’s hard for me to explain, so this video explains it for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnjzVX8EKA

Rick Worley?

You must be trolling? Or you would not have posted that the video was by him, and without saying it was by Rick Worley?

C;mon, your first post on an OT discussion forum is link to a video by Rick Worley

Can I be honest? Can I be truly, brutally honest?

The attitude of many members of this forum towards those who defend the Prequel Trilogy is reprehensible in my opinion. Okay, this is an OT discussion forum. So what? Does that mean that one can’t be free to defend the Prequel Trilogy? Does that mean that one must only talk badly about those movies? I myself have been the subject of similar criticism in the past, and even though I didn’t say it openly, I was very annoyed by this. Just because I said that the dialogue isn’t as bad as everyone says, I was treated with condescension, and it was very annoying for me.

You all should stop acting like you have absolute truth, because it can be very irritating. Don’t get me wrong, to discuss and criticize other people’s arguments is absolutely okay. But to act like “Yeah bro, sure, you can continue to carry out your wrong opinions, but the rest of us, who are all superior, will continue to say things as they are” is very irritating.

You claim to be a friendly forum where everyone can express their opinions freely, and you even boast to have numerous Prequel fans on here. But paradoxically, every time that a Prequel fan who actually tries to defend the movies pops up, he gets overwhelmed with criticism and condescending, or he’s even accused of being a troll solely because he says things that are different from the common thought on here. It happened to me, it happened to Stardust1138, it happened to other people, and it’s going to happen over and over again, because this place has become an echo chamber.

I suggest you all to grow up and learn to respect other people’s opinions.

I want a complete version of the 6 SW movies without music. It would be interesting to watch, because in the real world there’s no music in the background.

I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I’ll expose it regardless.

I don’t think that the less relatability of the PT characters is due to the way the characters are written, but simply to the acting. For example, I live in Italy, and the Italian dubbing is much more dynamic than the original acting. It’s less flat, and as a result the characters seem more human. In fact, I have never had any problem empathizing with the PT characters, precisely because the Italian dubbing is more dynamic and human, and therefore it conveys different sensations than the original acting, to the point that many of the lines that are considered cringe in the English-speaking world sound perfectly natural in the Italian dubbing.

To prove my point, here there are some scenes from The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith in my native language:

Padmé confronting Anakin on Mustafar (ROTS)
https://youtu.be/jer_qlWqmHI

“You were the Chosen One!” (ROTS)
https://youtu.be/sES8yVAjQuY

Anakin meeting Padmé for the first time (TPM)
https://youtu.be/6nUGTq2mPT4

Anakin meeting Padmé again (AOTC)
https://youtu.be/2hv2uzd3Mng

The elevator scene (AOTC)
https://youtu.be/CLtl4HRzqMU

Anakin and Padmé talking on the grass (AOTC)
https://youtu.be/E_PMWp9hT1M

As you can see, the acting is much more dynamic here than in the original version.

I can sort of understand why George Lucas chose a flatter, less emphatic type of acting, but it affected the films in the long run.

The Prequels, of course!
Also, did they really make Sequel films? I didn’t know that. I thought the story ended with ROTJ…

The most annoying Star Wars argument I had was an argument about the CGI of the Prequel Trilogy.

Now, I want to make an important premise: I’m NOT one of those people who bitches about the CGI in the Prequels. Yes, I think they should have used more practical effects and big sets instead of miniatures, but I still think the Prequel CGI looks great for its time, even though it didn’t age very well.

With that being said, the most annoying argument I had about this subject was an argument that I had some months ago with a dude on the internet. In summary, I said that they should have used more big sets instead of miniatures, and that casting more real actors for the Clones would have been a good idea. His reply? “The Clones are supposed to be equal and have the same proportions, therefore doing them in CGI was the only solution to make them look equal.”

That’s the dumbest argument I’ve ever seen in my life. I mean, the Clones are supposed to stay in the background. They just have to pretend to shoot laser rifles and eventually pretend to die. You don’t need to get great actors to do something like this, just get stunt people who are all the same height and proportions as the original actor who plays Jango Fett. You don’t need CGI at all, you just have to cast 40 or 50 people with the same proportions. Hell, you don’t even need to search for people who look similar to the original actor, because the Clones have their armor and helmet put on 90% of the time, so we don’t even see their face. Just use the original actor when there are Clones without the helmet, and that’s it. But no, creating the Clones by using CGI was the only way to do the Clones apparently.

I know you said no internet arguments, but I never discuss Star Wars with real people. So…

Can I have a link to this edit? I’d love to see it.

Can I have a link to this edit? I’d love to see it.

I would have written it in such a way that it could have fit with the pre-1999 established EU. Therefore I would have depicted the Sith Order in the same way it’s depicted in the Old Republic video games and comics, with Palpatine and Vader being the ones that established the Rule of Two after the creation of the Empire.
I wouldn’t have changed the name of the characters. Padmé can’t become Nellith. She’s Padmé, and she still looks like Natalie Portman. End of the story.
Since the non-attachment rule doesn’t play any relevant role in this rewrite, I wouldn’t have introduced it at all, and I will have made it clear that the Jedi can actually marry and have a family.
I still would have found a way to have Anakin’s wife die at the end of the Trilogy, because having her death happen offscreen between the PT and the OT is pretty silly for me, and it makes everything overly complicated. Furthermore, to solve the problem posed by Leia’s line in Return of the Jedi, I would have simply established that Force-sensitives have a more developed memory than normal people, and therefore can remember everything from the moment they were born, thus explaining why Leia can remember her mother even though she died as soon as she was born.
The rest is pretty solid.

of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

1. Last Crusade
2. Raiders
3. Skull
4. Temple

Literally my same ranking lmao.

Tantive3+1 said:

Should Yoda be a present character within the prequels?

I feel that removing him from the PT preserves the revelation in TESB of who Yoda really is.

But removing him entirely would contradict ESB itself, since Yoda clearly states that Anakin was a powerful Jedi. How could he even knew that if he wasn’t part of the Prequels and never knew Anakin?

Episode VII: Set 20 years after Return of the Jedi. The New Republic is now the only government in the Galaxy and the Imperial Remnant has been completely defeated. Luke is the Grand Master of the New Jedi Order, which is different from the Prequel Jedi Order, since it allows attachments and marriage. Within the New Republic and the Senate, rumors are starting to circulate about an unknown enemy, who’s starting to conquer some planets that are located in the extreme edge of the Galaxy. The Senate is split in two: on one side there are those who think there’s nothing to worry about, as those planets are not part of the New Republic, but on the other side there are those who think that the threat is serious, and that the government should start taking precautions and arming itself, In case the invaders decide to invade the territory of the New Republic as well. Chancellor Leia Organa is among those who think the threat is serious, and will spend most of the movie trying to convince the skeptical Senators to take the issue seriously, and to vote in favour of the mobilization of the New Republic’s Army. Meanwhile, Leia orders Luke, her son Jacen, and Jedi master Mara Jade to go on a secret mission to reach those planets and determine the extent of the threat. During the course of this mission, Luke and Mara Jade fall in love and eventually return to the New Republic, to inform Leia and the Senate that the threat is indeed serious. Thus, all the Senators vote unanimously in favor of the mobilization of the Army. So Han - who’s now the Supreme General of the New Republic’s Army - starts mobilizing the troops. The Yuuzhan Vong war has begun, and Luke and Mara marry at the end of the movie.

Episode VIII: Set 3 years after Episode VII. The movie is basically a random adventure set during the war. Mara Jade risks her life in the initial battle, but Luke manages to save her in the end. In the movie, the personality of the main villain (that is, the chief of the Yuuzhan Vong) is explored in detail. Contrary to the Legends version, this version of the Yuuzhan Vong isn’t against the use of technology. In fact, the Yuuzhan Vong are a technologically advanced Alien Empire, who reached the Galaxy in the hope of conquering it. They believe in a supreme God, the God of War (the equivalent of Mars for the Romans). They also have a sacred book, in which it’s stated that their mission is to conquer the entire Universe in the name of their God, therefore they always conquer everything on their path. Their chief is a Force sensitive, and its believed to be a messianic figure by the Yuuzhan Vong people. In the meantime, Jacen Solo starts to become more and more Dark. Fighting constantly and seeing millions of people suffering 24/7 are all things that really affected him, and made him develop more and more Fascist ideals. He starts to think that the end justifies the means, and starts questioning the validity of the Jedi Code. He also starts to enjoy being more aggressive and to use power. His approach to the Dark Side is similar to Revan’s during the Mandalorian Wars.

Episode IX: Set 1 years after the previous movie. During the last year, the New Republic has done nothing but accumulate victories over victories against the invaders, and now it’s preparing to attack their last base, which is the planet Utapau. During the battle, Jacen acts in an extremely aggressive way towards his enemies. It’s clear that he’s on the verge of the Dark Side now. Luke finally realizes what’s going on with Jacen, and tries to bring him back. They have a duel and Jacen actually manages to defeat Luke. But just as he’s ready to kill him, Anakin’s spirit appears to him. Jacen and Anakin have a long conversation together. Anakin explains Jacen that the Dark Side is indeed tempting, but it’s an actual hell, and tells Jacen that he shouldn’t embrace the same wrong path he did, because it was the Dark Side who basically destroyed their family. So, Jacen manages to regain himself and not to fall to the Dark Side. With the help of Luke, they finally face the chief of the Yuuzhan Vong, and kill him. The fact that their Messiah was killed makes the Yuuzhan Vong totally lose their faith (which had already been put to the test during the war due to all their defeats), as they believed their chief to be invincible. In the end, the New Republic and the Jedi forces manage to win the Battle over Utapau, the Yuuzhan Vong are totally defeated, and everybody is happy.

RicOlie_2 said:

The belief that God doesn’t send people to hell, but that we send ourselves there, is exactly what mainstream Christianity believes (Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and many varieties of Protestantism). It’s mostly just Calvinists and fundamentalists who don’t believe that.

Look, I live in Italy, the country where Catholicism has its central base, and in all my life I’ve never heard anyone say that you send yourself to Hell thanks to your own guilt. I’ve always been taught that it’s God who decides who goes to Hell and who goes to Heaven, according to what the person has done in his life. Even during religion lessons at school (because yes, in Italy they teach religion at school), I have always been told that it’s God who decides that, not ourselves. Moreover, in the Book of Revelation it’s stated that at the end of time, it will be Jesus who will decide who can live in the Heavenly Jerusalem and who will have to perish in the Lake of Fire with Satan and his Demons. So, I’ve always assumed that mainstream Christianity teaches that it’s God who decides who deserves Heaven and who deserves Hell, not ourselves.

My beliefs are a bit complex, however I still want to try to expose them.

I believe in the existence of God. My God is all-powerful, transcendent, eternal, omniscient, ubiquitous, and created the Universe. Moreover, I believe in the existence of the soul and its immortality, as well as in the existence of Heaven, Hell, and angels. However, I don’t consider myself a Christian, because I believe in these concepts as standalone concepts, therefore I don’t link them to the Bible or to Jesus.

I believe in the existence of the afterlife. Specifically, I believe in the existence of Heaven and Hell. But my view on Heaven and Hell differs a lot from Christianity.

I imagine these two realities as other dimensions, in which the soul passes after death. On one hand, Heaven is a dimension in which everything is beautiful and positive, a dimension where there’s no suffering, nor pain. And Heaven is also the place where God’s presence is stronger than anywhere else. On the contrary, Hell is another dimension where there’s nothing pleasant, a dimension where there are exclusively suffering and pain. However, I imagine them as real dimensions superimposed to our own Universe, in which people can lead a real life, like the one we lead here on Earth. With the only difference that in those dimensions we’re immortal and we have an indefinite space to live in, besides the fact that the laws of physics don’t apply, and therefore everything is possible.

With that being said, I’m not a Christian or a Muslim, so I don’t believe in the concept that you go to Hell if you don’t believe in what I say. In fact, I don’t believe that it’s God who sends people to Hell or Heaven in the first place.

My personal, spiritual belief states that there is a Universal Moral Law established by God at the beginning of the Creation, which each of us feels deep inside. Deep down, every single one of us knows exactly what’s right and what’s wrong. For example, deep down every single one of us knows that things like murdering, raping, or breaking someone’s heart are all wrong. You can tell yourself otherwise, but deep inside you know that these things are wrong. You can feel it in your heart, even if you deliberately want to deny reality. And since we all know deep inside what’s right and what’s wrong, then we are also capable of judging ourselves at the moment of death. Therefore, I believe that at the moment of death everyone knows exactly what’s the place in which he deserves to stay after death. So, you go to Hell exclusively when you yourself think that you deserve to go to Hell for what you did in your life. Thus, if you think that you deserve to go to Hell for the actions that you committed in your life, then you will go to Hell. The same applies with Heaven.

I also believe that Hell is not eternal. In my personal spiritual conception, every soul is capable of coming out from Hell and going to Heaven. But this happens exclusively when a person is capable of getting rid of his own guilt and forgive himself for what he did.

I don’t believe in the concept of “worshipping God”. From my point of view, God is an infinitely loving being who doesn’t need worshipping, but who does everything in a disinterested way. Contrary to the God of the Old Testament, who asked for worshipping in exchange for favors, my God does everything in a disinterested way and doesn’t need to be prayed or worshipped. For this reason I don’t worship him, nor I pray to him, but I simply surrender totally to his wisdom, his omnipotence and the benevolence of his plan. But don’t get me wrong, when I say that god is a disinterested being, I don’t mean that he doesn’t care about us. What I mean is that it’s not in his interest to be worshiped in exchange for the things that he does for us. God is so loving and so superior to his creatures that he does everything for them, but asks nothing in return. That’s why I say that he’s a disinterested being. Which doesn’t mean that you can’t worship him. If worshiping God and praying to him makes you feel better, then you can surely do that, you can worship him and pray to him all you want. He just doesn’t need you to do that, and doesn’t ask you to do that.

I share with the Christian theology the idea that God is like a loving Father. He’s the Father of everyone, indeed, and loves his creatures above everything else. Even the angels are like children for him, and he loves them as much as humans, or aliens.

As for angels, they’re spiritual creatures who deal with minor tasks. Their major function is to stand beside mortal beings, to guide them and helping them, but without them directly realizing it. God has endowed all intelligent beings in the Universe with free will,so the angels are no exception. If they wanted, they could disobey God’s orders and question them, but they don’t do it because they are in direct contact with the Creator and are aware of the absolute truth of God. Therefore, they don’t feel the need to rebel against him, despite they could theoretically do so. For this reason, I don’t believe in the existence of fallen angels who rebelled against God, and therefore I don’t believe in Satan’s existence either.

I don’t believe in the existence of an evil being who tempts humans to try to make them do bad things. My opinion on the subject is the same as that of Judaism: the angels are all good and are all servants of God, and evil has a completely human origin. All of us have the impulse to do bad things, but this impulse is not dictated by any fallen angel that tempts us, it’s simply something internal that characterizes us, and that we can reject and control if we want.

Moreover, in my Theistic conception there are no angelic hierarchies as in traditional Abrahamic religions. All angels are equal in the eyes of God and they all have the same powers.

And that’s… Pretty much what I believe in.

I understand that reading my introduction may have “scared” many people, making them mistakenly think that the changes I want to make to the movies are extremely difficult to realize. However, in order to dispel any doubt, I decided to post the full list of all the changes I want to make to all three Prequel movies, to make it clear that these changes are actually not so difficult to realize, at least not for someone who doesn’t have all my problems and can do it by himself.

Changes for The Phantom Menace

1. To change the title of the movie into The Hidden Menace, but using Hal’s version of the crawl;
2. To cut out the part where Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Jar Jar visit the Gungan water city, like Hal did in his edit. After Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan meet Jar Jar, the scene is cut and we go directly to the scene where they go to rescue Queen Amidala;
3. To cut out Jar Jar’s poop joke;
4. To cut out the joke of Jar Jar grabbing the fruit with his tongue, and Qui-Gon taking his tongue and telling him not to do it again;
5. To replace the entire third act of the movie (that is, from the return on Naboo onwards) with Hal’s edit of TPM directly;
6. To finish the movie with Qui-Gon’s funeral, by inserting the credits immediately after the shot in which Palpatine’s face is shown.

Changes for Attack of the Clones

My Attack of the Clones edit is almost finished, thanks to the help of Hal 9000. The only changes I still want to make to it are the following:

1. To change the title of the movie into March of the Clones, but using Hal’s version of the crawl;
2. To replace the title of the movie with March of the Clones, but leaving the opening crawl from my edit;
3. To try to trim the Droid Factory scene as much as possible, by making sure that 3PO and R2 stay on the ship, therefore cutting off their silly moments during the Droid Factory scene and the Battle of Geonosis;
4. After the Droid Factory scene, to add the deleted scene with Padmé and Dooku arguing about politics;
5. To try to trim out the duel between Anakin and Dooku, to make it more realistic and to remove the unnecessary moments in which their lightsabers hover in the air without even touching.

Changes for Revenge of the Sith

1. To change the title of the movie into Rise of the Sith, but using the Canon version of the crawl;
2. To cut out the scene where Anakin and Padmé discuss their future projects on the balcony of Padmé’s apartment, at the beginning of the movie, thus going strength to Anakin’s nightmare about Padmé’s death;
3. To put back the various deleted scenes with Padmé and the Senators, possibly by using the best quality versions of those deleted scenes;
4. To cut out the scene where Anakin says “I want more, and I know I shouldn’t.” This entire scene has to go. Maybe, you can replace this scene with one of the scenes with Padmé and the Senators.
5. To put back the deleted scene where Obi-Wan, Yoda and Mace Windu discuss about how to overthrow Palpatine;
6. To cut “I can’t live without her” from the scene where Anakin submits to Palpatine. I don’t want to remove that scene entirely, I’d like that piece of the sentence to go. The sentence should just be: “Just help me save Padmé’s life.”
7. To cut the slaughtering of the younglings by Anakin, and every subsequent mention of it in the movie;
8. To cut out Yoda and Obi-Wan’s entrance in the Temple. I’d like Yoda to use his lightsaber exclusively when he fights against Palpatine;
9. To try to modify the reasons of Padmé’s death, possibly by saying that she dies because of the injuries that Anakin gave her on Mustafar. I actually have nothing against the idea of Padmé dying of a broken heart, but I think that making her die because of the injuries that Anakin gave her is more rational;
10. To put back the deleted scene where it’s shown how Yoda lands on Dagobah at the end of the movie;
11. To replace the shot of the Death Star at the end of the movie with the edited version of the scene where Coruscant replaces the Death Star.

Now, I understand that changing the movie titles and the opening crawls can be difficult, because Hal Himself told me it’s difficult. So I don’t expect one, single person to help me with absolutely every single change. But all the changes that don’t have to do with the movie titles and the opening crawls should be pretty easy to make, if you’re a normal person who doesn’t have my problems.
Therefore, I ask again the question I’ve asked at the beginning of the thread: is there anyone willing to help me with this project?

I love the idea of Yoda not using a lightsaber until he kills the two clone troopers during Order 66.

But perhaps he could fight Dooku by only using the Force. In fact, this is exactly what I did in my edit, I eliminated the lightsaber duel, but I left the Force duel between Dooku and Yoda intact. Honestly, I’m very satisfied with the result, and if you want I can send you my edit in private, so you can copy that clip and use it in your edit.