To those who don’t know, someone uploaded a clip from the CAV laserdisc in full 1440p, and I got to say its probably the closest and highest quality bit of footage we’ll get of the original 35mm version of the film before this project gets released!
You’re kidding! “Much better than the DVD in your opinion”?
(Laughing my bum off)
What exactly was wrong with direct movies from the digital source anyway?
(No offence intended by the way)
The colors/contrast are much more eye pleasing and the grain makes the low res textures and animation look a tad bit less dated compared to the digital version. It really is night and day in terms of the way the film looks actually on film vs how the movie looks rather bland and washed out on digital. Sid’s room, for example, especially shows the difference of the movie on 35mm because of the rich black shadows which can be seen in 35mm clips from behind the scenes documentaries, which seems to be lost in the digital version which brightens the room up a little too much. In my opinion it’s probably the only Pixar film to look way better on film based on the 35mm trailers that can be found on YouTube.
Hooray, OT is back up! I’ll be reaching out to donors sometime soon to get email addresses in case this happens again, but feel free to PM it to me if you’d like.
Anyways, I suppose it’s a perfect time for an update, as there’s a lot to discuss. Firstly, I want to share a bit about distribution of the final print, which will be done a bit differently now due to the recent Reddit leaks which caused a bit of a stir.
I won’t go too much into detail regarding my opinions on what happened, but I will say that I find openly sharing these scans on Reddit and other websites a bit irresponsible and a good way to get some person or another in trouble. To be clear, I don’t necessarily think we should gatekeep or disallow people from seeing scans; I think it should be up to whoever did the scan who they distribute the print to (not that there are any implied rights, but I see it as a simple courtesy thing), but at the very least I believe that it should be kept to private messages as opposed to just having a website with download links to full, copyrighted movies.
Knowing all this, I will be slightly tightening things as far as who will receive copies of the print. I’m in favor of letting more people see the final scan, but I’m just too fearful of getting in trouble after it gets posted online to be willing to send it to whoever messages me and asks. Perhaps that’s irrational to some capacity, but it’s just something I’m not comfortable with at this point.
The long-and-short of it this: all people who have donated WILL get a copy, as expected. Other people interested can receive a copy AT MY DISCRETION, but will be required to provide image proof that they own a copy of the film. I’ll be keeping things fairly limited, so don’t necessarily expect a response if you PM me asking for a copy.
If you do receive a copy of the scan, know that I’m trusting you not to share a copy with anyone else or post it online, and my willingness to do another project like this may be impacted if anyone does so. Also, I’d like to share that I plan on posting clips of the final scan on YouTube/Archive.org, as I do want to give everyone the opportunity to see it in some capacity.
My apologies if this leaves some people feeling disappointed, but it’s what I ultimately feel is the best course of action. I might find some way to get the scan out to more people in the future, but for now I’d like to keep things as lowkey as possible.
With that out of the way, Let’s discuss the scan itself! As far as funds go, we’re currently sitting at a little over $1400. I imagine this should be about as much as we need, so I’ve removed the donation link from the top post, but I may or may not intermittently accept a couple more (with proof of ownership of the film). I’ll be hard-capping us at around $1500, as I don’t think more than that will be necessary. Valeyard still has the print in Australia, and we’re hoping to get things moving sometime fairly soon, so stay tuned for further updates. I’ll send another OT-longer whenever I have more to share. Peace and love y’all! ✌🏻
~Tristan
Is there a way I can donate still? This project looks amazing.
Unfortunately, no. Tristan closed the donation link down, but he might accept it if you ask him.
So where can I watch this print at?
It’s not out, so there’s no way to watch it yet. The print needs to be sent somewhere to be cleaned and sent somewhere else to be scanned.
Answered penguin’s questions by DM. At this point we’re going to be a bit over $1500 and I believe I can safely say that the project is about as FULLY FUNDED as it will get, so I will be fully closing donations off. My apologies to anyone who didn’t get a chance to donate– believe me when I say that I’d honestly share this with everyone if I could.
On a more positive note, I owe a huge thank-you to everyone who has donated over the past several months. I need to update the list on the forum, but I believe that once the remaining parties throw their bits in we’ll have over 75 different donors who have contributed. Pardon my French, but that’s fucking crazy!! I’m so glad I ran into this community and incredibly grateful to have the support of everyone who wants to see this as much as I do. I’ll try to message whoever I still need to about email addresses, and I also plan on refunding all of you a little depending on how much money is left over. Again, thank you guys so much– you honestly are my favorite deputies.
I’m still waiting for things to get moving over in Australia, so for now all we can really do is wait. I’ll figure out what I can and post another update as soon as possible. Until then, reach for the sky!
~Tristan
Any new update regarding the project?
Answered penguin’s questions by DM. At this point we’re going to be a bit over $1500 and I believe I can safely say that the project is about as FULLY FUNDED as it will get, so I will be fully closing donations off. My apologies to anyone who didn’t get a chance to donate– believe me when I say that I’d honestly share this with everyone if I could.
On a more positive note, I owe a huge thank-you to everyone who has donated over the past several months. I need to update the list on the forum, but I believe that once the remaining parties throw their bits in we’ll have over 75 different donors who have contributed. Pardon my French, but that’s fucking crazy!! I’m so glad I ran into this community and incredibly grateful to have the support of everyone who wants to see this as much as I do. I’ll try to message whoever I still need to about email addresses, and I also plan on refunding all of you a little depending on how much money is left over. Again, thank you guys so much– you honestly are my favorite deputies.
I’m still waiting for things to get moving over in Australia, so for now all we can really do is wait. I’ll figure out what I can and post another update as soon as possible. Until then, reach for the sky!
~Tristan
Oh darn, I was hoping to donate, oh well I’m happy being part of the discussion of this project anyways! Its really great meeting so many people that are fans of this movie and dedicated to getting this project off the ground!
Hooray! The site is back!
So… is there gonna be any problems with the project because of what happened in the community?
Hey, sorry for the radio silence and props to all the recent donors who I haven’t thanked. I’m happy to say that we’ve now passed $1300 and are continuing to climb! I’ll be giving a more detailed update as soon as possible, but in the meantime feel free to continue donating as we could still use money for the cost of a hard drive.
Additionally, when I have the chance I would like to address some recent events within the community that have shaken things up a bit, and discuss how they will impact this project. For now, I would like to share that while the project still won’t be strictly donors only, there will now be some restrictions on who will be receiving the prints once the project is finished (at least for the time being).
Either way, I’m grateful for the continued support and I shall give more details soon enough. To infinity and beyond!
~Tristan
What has happened in the community?
I think it refers to this episode
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Massive-35mm-Leaks-on-Reddit/id/106638
Oh sh*t.
Hey, sorry for the radio silence and props to all the recent donors who I haven’t thanked. I’m happy to say that we’ve now passed $1300 and are continuing to climb! I’ll be giving a more detailed update as soon as possible, but in the meantime feel free to continue donating as we could still use money for the cost of a hard drive.
Additionally, when I have the chance I would like to address some recent events within the community that have shaken things up a bit, and discuss how they will impact this project. For now, I would like to share that while the project still won’t be strictly donors only, there will now be some restrictions on who will be receiving the prints once the project is finished (at least for the time being).
Either way, I’m grateful for the continued support and I shall give more details soon enough. To infinity and beyond!
~Tristan
What has happened in the community?
Just color-corrected the film’s original teaser trailer on 35mm, and for those who haven’t seen the link for the 35mm original trailer that I also color-corrected, check them both out!
Teaser:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1av3KRbQCOV3EA6tpBuYsOpX_v8DhoKj-/view?usp=sharing
Trailer:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D0orLH-JTtGYoa-waiZAdbS-aqYz37wH/view?usp=sharing
I have some screencaps of a laserdisc copy that I color corrected a while back, so I don’t know if this is 100% accurate to the original theatrical presentation but I hope these help when the thing is finally scanned:
Laserdiscs are colorcorrected for the living room by the telecine operator, aka the colorist, like this:
So basically it has its own colortiming. The telecine prints are more expensive to make than projection prints, although they’re usually 16mm not 35mm, and they’re printed low-contrast so that they can be transferred for broadcast and/or home video (you can also transfer off the interpos or a dupe negative as those are also low-contrast film that will transfer acceptably on a telecine). For a bright film like Toy Story it may not look too different, but for films with many dark/night scenes those in particular will look nothing like how they look theatrically. Beauty and the Beast for example is really ruined by the home video colortiming. BATB is an example of a film that probably shouldn’t have been released to home video, but we are where we are and today everything now goes to home video eventually. Certain decisions are even made for both home video and broadcast at the time of filming, for example in Hollywood they shoot alternate scenes for broadcast where they know that something will have to be censored for US domestic TV.
For the theatrical prints the way it works is that the interpositive is colortimed and then when theatrical prints are struck the printer is fully calibrated for the film and the print is struck reel-by-reel. So for example if you’re printing 200 prints you print 200x reel 1 and then 200x reel 2 and so-on. Some prints will be intentionally printed 2 stops brighter and those are Drive-In prints (prints for outdoor projection). The interpos is struck off the original negative or off a dupe negative, in this case the original negative would have been a digital film-out (there may be more than one “original negative” if they made more than one film-out). Now the resolution Toy Story was outputted to wasn’t 2048x1556 so I don’t know if they upscaled it for the printer, or window-boxed it and then did an optical enlargement off the o-neg - either is possible and we should see if there was any attempt at “filmizing” it when it’s scanned.
So would these be an accurate representation for the color timing of the film on 35mm? https://www.ebay.com/itm/274752644977?hash=item3ff888a771:g:N2YAAOSwJHBgcGoU&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwEZZ6wwtSPUyHPs0a35yHiYRR9MF9AIY1ohi%2BWRIMQwItBKVYlTA3KKZHNxz%2B5Ap8%2FJ6LyNNduTWtgZbqvbfwkF%2BIqhVEN0%2B9la8Sdf6QCcjmsiu%2BdURlFw6M9x0tBZJexJsW6meJJK808aO9wisp3LNd525mpRzdRlxw7ArfwznWoCCwELItyh7zTHns9vTLy7BVDo6yQI62RA5pHMeuKKPW6Ju1BiH1xHJhR%2BxS4S2ydgRYAWBI%2F6N%2BICs0DwwCw%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9a86bK0Yg
I was rather disappointed with the color grading of the 35mm scan of the trailer, it looked washed out and had more cooler colors than warmer ones, so I decided to color correct it! Here is a link to the trailer, now with a much more vibrant color palette! Tell me what you guys think!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D0orLH-JTtGYoa-waiZAdbS-aqYz37wH/view?usp=sharing
I’m really looking forward to your results. I just donated $15. 😃
Thank you so much! Your donation got us to exactly $700!!
I’m currently on vacation, but I’ll make another post when I get back on Wednesday. 😁
So, whats the next course of action?
Raise more money! Now that we’ve reached the cost of services (cleaning and scanning) we just need enough money to ship the print around to the various places it needs to go.
I’ll make a proper follow-up post when I have the chance, including a rough estimation of how much more money we’ll need (nothing concrete until we can get canisters and weigh the print). For now, I encourage people to continue donating if they’re interested! 😃
Is there a rough estimation for how much more money is needed?
I’m really looking forward to your results. I just donated $15. 😃
Thank you so much! Your donation got us to exactly $700!!
I’m currently on vacation, but I’ll make another post when I get back on Wednesday. 😁
So, whats the next course of action?
Raise more money! Now that we’ve reached the cost of services (cleaning and scanning) we just need enough money to ship the print around to the various places it needs to go.
I’ll make a proper follow-up post when I have the chance, including a rough estimation of how much more money we’ll need (nothing concrete until we can get canisters and weigh the print). For now, I encourage people to continue donating if they’re interested! 😃
Alright, great! Are there two separate places for cleaning and scanning?
I’m really looking forward to your results. I just donated $15. 😃
Thank you so much! Your donation got us to exactly $700!!
I’m currently on vacation, but I’ll make another post when I get back on Wednesday. 😁
So, whats the next course of action?
Oh, Toy Story (1995) in glorious 4K! How can I contain my excitement? I had the privilege of watching a work-in-progress (WIP) version of this film, painstakingly scanned from 35mm. And guess what? They need donations! How delightful, because I definitely want to fund someone’s passion project. But hey, who needs a finished product when you can experience a half-baked version, right? Anyway, if you’re in the mood for some “WIP magic,” check out the link here: https://casinoplinko.com/. Just be sure to bring your sarcasm hat and maybe a pinch of skepticism. Happy “donating”!
what a weird post right?
Yeah, I actually thought it was gonna be a link to the WIP of the movie, which is something I’ve only seen part 3 of on Youtube, this dude’s a scammer probably.
I am looking forward to donating sometime next week when I get paid. I love this movie to death and seeing it on a vintage format is definitely something for me and I assume everyone else.
Wonderful, that would be greatly appreciated. You’re definitely not the only one who loves this movie and wants to see this project come to fruition. We’re approaching our first monetary goal so any help is appreciated at this point! 😃
I was just wondering since this was an Australian print, will the final scan include the Buena Vista International logo or will this be cut out?
I guess it depends if it’s on the print or not. If it is, then it’ll likely be included in the final scan (unless people think we should do otherwise).
Personally I’d like to see it without it (if its included in the scan that is), as the Laserdisc never had the international logo (which may mean the scan might not have it since the laserdisc was a transfer of the film negative).
I’ve donated $15.
Thanks TristAndShout64 for taking on this project.
Just donated $15. I saw this movie many times in the theater and these images just feel right for this movie.
Wow, two $15 donations in a day? Thanks you guys! These have pushed us to $630 in total, so we’re staggeringly close to reaching our starter goal. I’ll try and get the remaining costs worked out soon or at least come up with some rough estimate for us to go off of.
I’ve just donated a dollar towards this scan. It’s not much, but as you said, every little bit counts.
Haha, I appreciate it Charles. We were actually at like $599.44 when you sent your dollar, so you officially put us over the $600 mark. That’s certainly worth something, so thanks a ton!
Goes to show not only how much this film means to so many people but also how much people really want to see this film in its original theatrical presentation and finally see this project come to fruition!
Yeah, it’d be in the same speed as North American film prints.
Oh okay, great!
There’s no “speeding up” or “slowing down” of film, it’s shot how it is. You can run the camera slow or fast and get the result that when played at 24fps you get fast or slow motion. Toy Story was rendered frame-by-frame for standard 24fps projection.
Quick question though, I know that when films are in other countries that speak English, the Region code (PAL for example) speeds/ pitches the film up on DVD and VHS. Being that this is an Australian film reel that is being scanned was the same process applied before it was given to Australian theaters or would it be the same speed as a North American reel and the speeding up/ pitching up only happens after the movie is released on DVD/ VHS in English speaking European countries? PAL is the region code for Australia as I found out.
I would think so, yes.
Before DVD release or after?
There’s no “speeding up” or “slowing down” of film, it’s shot how it is. You can run the camera slow or fast and get the result that when played at 24fps you get fast or slow motion. Toy Story was rendered frame-by-frame for standard 24fps projection.
Quick question though, I know that when films are in other countries that speak English, the Region code (PAL for example) speeds/ pitches the film up on DVD and VHS. Being that this is an Australian film reel that is being scanned was the same process applied before it was given to Australian theaters or would it be the same speed as a North American reel and the speeding up/ pitching up only happens after the movie is released on DVD/ VHS in English speaking European countries? PAL is the region code for Australia as I found out.
I would think so, yes.
The latter or the former?
There’s no “speeding up” or “slowing down” of film, it’s shot how it is. You can run the camera slow or fast and get the result that when played at 24fps you get fast or slow motion. Toy Story was rendered frame-by-frame for standard 24fps projection.
Quick question though, I know that when films are in other countries that speak English, the Region code (PAL for example) speeds/ pitches the film up on DVD and VHS. Being that this is an Australian film reel that is being scanned was the same process applied before it was given to Australian theaters or would it be the same speed as a North American reel and the speeding up/ pitching up only happens after the movie is released on DVD/ VHS in English speaking European countries? PAL is the region code for Australia as I found out.
I’ve donated $10 - I always liked the way it looked on VHS and thought the DVD looked very flat in comparison
Well thank you very much! I added $5 to match another donation and that puts us safely at $570.
I totally agree with you on the DVD transfer- I grew up with that version of Toy Story, and there’s arguably an objective quality to it- what with it being a direct digital transfer of course- but I’ve fallen totally in love with the film version over the past several months. The color palette and film grain add so much depth and give it such a distinct look. The VHS is definitely my preferred way to watch currently, though I need to get another Laserdisc player so I watch it that way.
Agreed! The film version has a lot more vibrant colors and better contrast compared to the direct to digital transfer. It definitely makes the film look a tad less dated and a lot easier on the eyes, in a similar way to the early Pixar shorts, specifically Andre and Wally B, Reds Dream, Tin Toy, and the uncensored version of Knick Knack, which all had releases that used the original film reels for the DVD or Blu ray releases, most likely because the files were way too old and harder to bring back for a direct to digital release compared to Toy Story (if Pixar today compared the hardware for Toy Story to a Model T Ford, god knows what Pixar’s hardware would be like in the 80’s, the wheel?) My point is that those shorts look great on film, and after seeing the laserdisc and film version scenes from the bonus features on the Ultimate Toy Box DVD, I think the film will look astonishing as it was in theaters back in 95 when the reels finally get scanned.
I’m a huge fan of the film, and Toy Story holds a special place in my heart. Being able to see it in 4K would be absolutely amazing!
Agreed! Definitely will be better than the 4K blu ray we got, we’ll finally have the true version of the film as it was shown back in ‘95!
