Jar Jar Bricks

Octorox said:

Here’s an alternate take I found on the Lost 20 scene that cuts it down further to use basically only finished footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQTcvtHvhw

At that point though, I’m not sure if it’s even worth including. Thoughts?

I agree that it is some much needed context. But it is an awful long time to hold on one shot. And the trouble is finding appropriate live-action scenes if you were to do a brief flashback.

Another thing to consider is that the audio transition from the end of the deleted scene back to the normal scene isn’t fully there, either. The “vibration” noise (I don’t know what else to call it) of the archives sort of just appears again when the deleted portion is over.

Acbagel said:

It’s a decent idea Starkiller, but I would say it doesn’t work fully because with a proper understanding of the force, we know that the future is always in motion.

Which is why it’s so insanely stupid that the original reason why Leia stopped being a Jedi is because she sensed her son would die at the end of her Jedi path. Thank God Ascendant v5 will be fixing this up. And I think this problem is still present to a certain extent in the original TLJ because Luke acts not only on the darkness already within him but also what he saw he was going to do.

My point in bringing this up is that both JJ and Rian seem to have characterized Luke and Leia as believing in the infallible nature of prophecy. Probably because their father did end up fulfilling his own prophecy, from their perspective. Plus, the idea that Luke believes his own visions to be infallible because he’s the “legendary” Luke Skywalker does play into the movie’s theme of the Jedi being arrogant and failing as a result.

Personally, I’d rather Luke’s arrogance and boldness due to his legendary feats be the reason he fails to assess his situation properly rather than him wanting to snuff out his nephew due to some bad dreams in the present.

ifjg said:

What about the extended Jango Fett death scene? Looks great with the finished VFX.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gbh08F061A

Darn, ya beat me to it.

I also recommend taking a look at the extended version of Boba grabbing his father’s helmet from the Book of Boba Fett show.

EDIT: And since we now have a different perspective on the Padme’s bedroom scene, I will admit that I don’t think it’s strictly necessary. I just think there is some cool foreshadowing there in regards to Anakin and it’s another scene where the two are acting relatively normal with each other.

Good news. GregKnight06 is willing to contribute his version of the Kenobi scene for this edit!

Spence’s version of the scene omitted several parts that I think would be integral for an extended version of this movie. Namely, the hypocritical lines from Obi-Wan about his need for victory blinding him and his need to prove himself being his undoing. I think those are perfectly in character, seeing as how one of his other famous, hypocritical lines is “Only a Sith deals in absolutes”.

The one thing I always hated about this movie was that there are two scenes where Anakin is always complaining about Obi-Wan to Padme and claiming that he’s holding him back. But that’s only what we’re told, and we aren’t shown much of anything to really suggest that. As a result, most people just think he’s whiney and entitled. But with the Kenobi scene in place it becomes way easier to empathize with his character.

A similar thing will likely happen with the deleted scenes between Anakin and Padme which show their chemistry better and have normal dialogue. I think once you’re able to buy into their relationship initially, it becomes a lot easier to look over the awkward and cringey stuff that happens when they start getting much closer later on.

I suppose that’s true, but the line I was actually thinking of was: “Obi-Wan, you must have faith that he will choose the right path”. It does seem awfully out of character for the guy who is always doubting and dunking on Anakin. One of his lines in ROTS is literally “I don’t trust him”.

There is some VFX issues in the background of the Mace and Obi-Wan scene, though. That’s a large part of the reason why I’d prefer it to be excluded, beyond being redundant with the other scene. There’s also the fact that Mace Windu seems strangely cool with Anakin and believes in the prophecy in this scene. Which conflicts with his characterization in both episodes 1 and 3. I suppose it’s possible the Clone Wars made him lose some faith in Anakin but it is nonetheless quite jarring.

I appreciate you so much for doing this. I’ve been waiting for a project like this for almost a year now.

Regarding the Kenobi scene, if you have the space, I think it would be worth making two different versions. If you don’t have the space, then I would be willing to host the one with the Kenobi scene. I just need to go back into the thread for this topic because there was an individual that just recently created a very good, uncut version of it with music and everything.

Regarding the other scenes, I agree with most of your judgments. The analysis droids scene I’m leaning toward “yes” on because of the VFX being finished, especially given that Dex references the Jedi analysis droids and Obi makes a joke about them.

Padme’s bedroom I’m also leaning to “yes” on only because it serves as an analogy of Anakin himself. Padme talks about how the kids couldn’t adapt to their new environment and died as a result. Anakin is also unwilling/unable to adapt to change and loss and as a result he dies and Darth Vader is born.

The Geonosian Trial I’m leaning toward “no” on, mostly because Dooku’s last line in the previous deleted scene was “I’ve done all I can for you”. Obi was seemingly never put on trial, either. I think it’s fair to assume that Dooku is the deciding vote here, even if he’s acting like it isn’t. The VFX being unfinished is also a major reason for my opinion.

I agree that this would resolve most of the issues people have with TLJ. And obviously it’s completely doable now thanks to AI. Although I do think his final line is a bit too hardcore.

I think the reason why they opted not to show what was going in Ben’s head/future was because then they’d be having a flash forward inside of a flashback. That would definitely get confusing. I wonder if this is doable with just purely the dialogue. Something like “Han and Leia would die because of what he would become”.

Well, the line you’re describing is the original one, so I guess I’m confused whether or not that’s the one you prefer. If it is, that’s the one Hal went with for v5 mostly because he doesn’t have a problem with the way it’s phrased. I’m not completely determined to change it in this edit, either, so if there are some people that don’t want it changed for some reason I’m willing to oblige for that.

As v5 of Ascendant approaches its release date, I’ve set my sights back on this thread. I’ve updated the description with several (smaller) additional changes I’m considering. I’m thinking the following should be good for the revamped Kylo Ren dialogue:

“It was Palpatine who had your parents taken. He was looking for your father. But he learned your father was a powerless failure. So he gave the order.”

“No!”

“So that’s where you are… Palpatine wants one of us to take the Dark Throne.”

“No…”

“I’ll come tell you why.”

“I know why Palpatine wants us to fight for the Dark Throne.”

“Tell me.”

"Because he saw what you would become. You don’t just have power. You have his power. You’re his granddaughter.

“My mother was the daughter of Vader. Your father was the son of the Emperor. What Palpatine doesn’t know, is we’re a dyad in the Force, Rey. Two, that are one. We’ll kill him. Together. And make a new order.”

I agree. Maybe an echo effect on the line itself and then a significantly quieter version of the line (perhaps just the word “home”) as secondary echo over the shot of the medallion?

Oh yeah and I should have said this when I submitted the Kylo lines but just because I had a preference there doesn’t necessarily mean that was the best pick. So if other people want to listen through those to double check if we got the best takes, I’d appreciate it! Unless Hal already did some experimentation within the work print itself, in which case we should be good.

I think “You were right” sounds flawless, but I would be interested in hearing some variations of the other two lines together. I’ll listen when I get the time tomorrow.

Woah… everything sounds so amazing now. Thanks for taking our feedback, Hal!

Here are a bunch of Kylo Ren line options:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xVd2wK7Qpes6ulfY8QOCsnBl6FOF7M_5?usp=sharing

My personal picks are as follows (although I haven’t actually tested them out together to see how they fit):

youwereright#2
paidforprotection#3
oneway#4

Hal 9000 said:

Thanks for the feedback so far, and I’ll attend to the audio levels for those lines. What do you think of the youngling ghost line now?

Also, I had thought you didn’t want to use that Exegol line, JJB. I don’t have a problem with it, so I’ll replace it with the one you generated.

I commented on the youngling line in my last post, just under Sors Bandeam. Like I said, it’s certainly improved, but still stands out to a keen ear. At this point, it’s an argument of whether we’re willing to look over the audio quality for the novelty of it, which is certainly a factor.

The line I actually had a problem with was “We’ll always be with you”, for similar reasons to the above. It just sounded like it was recorded with a low quality microphone. The AI lines which are based on the film’s audio seem to avoid this issue for the most part.

DZ-330 said:

• C-3PO’s joke… as much as I love the AI reading that we have. It does seem a little odd for him to think he is a spy RIGHT AFTER Hux is admitting that he is the spy. Maybe it can be changed to something like:
  – Troop: “Who are you?!”
  – 3PO: “Perhaps you could tell me!”
  –Troop: “Then why are you… what?”

That indeed might be a little fourth wall breaking, but it does make sense within the context of the scene itself, isolated from everything else that’s going on. They’re sneaking on board a massive ship, after all. It also lines up the best with his following line: “My first laser battle!” which is consistent with him being caught up in the idea that he’s some sort of amazing droid skilled in espionage and marksmanship. I probably wouldn’t have a problem with your line, but I do think it’s a little less funny. I’ll definitely go with whatever Hal prefers in this case.

Here is my feedback for the Ahch-To scene. I’ll check the rest out later and update this post or make a new one:

• “Leia sensed it during your training” sounds too quiet compared to the other lines around it. Interestingly enough, the next AI line sounds loud enough, perhaps even a bit too loud.
• The new lines in the flashback scene are also too quiet. I’d also lessen the gap between “Despite losing everything, and everyone… Leia always chose compassion over hatred.” I think it’s okay to shift this silence over to the opposite side.
• “You’ll take both sabers to Exegol” has not been replaced with “Let Leia’s legacy guide you on Exegol”

Other misc. stuff:

• Leia’s “Come home” could probably be shifted left just a tad, so she says that first, there’s a beat, and then you see Han’s medal instead of in rapid succession
• Kylo’s “You were right” is clearly using my really old AI model based on his Lego lines (instead of the film lines) and stands out. We should replace this. And probably also replace his lines about her parents paying for her protection. I will work on this tomorrow morning.
• Sors Bandeem sounds a bit better, but if you have headphones on you can tell that the microphone quality has that background noise static and is not up to snuff with the other voices. It helps that it’s a more limited cameo, though.
• 3PO sounds amazing! Zorri fits in a lot better than I thought, as well.

Hal 9000 said:

I think the line I have is, “Ever since Skywalker, people have been fighting back. And dying.”

But yes, I don’t wish to try to alter Poe’s backstory. But it’s cool to have the option and anyone else is free to.

And I’m not phased by the lack of modulation for the first line of a scene. 😉

This is the last set of lines I made:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tiDKw2bx3SstVF2k7Sr_Q4eaccAoXCwd?usp=drive_link

I’m not sure when I would have made the one you’re referencing, but I do remember it. I think it’s from 2023. The only reason I recommend this other line is because if people are truly fighting back together, then Poe looks extremely stupid to later say that he doesn’t think people are going to come together just like what happened with Crait. However, if Zorri specifies that people are rebelling, but not as one (they’re selfish, at least on Kijimi), then it makes a lot more sense. So Zorri saying “I don’t believe you believe that” is moreso an argument that there are good people like them out there who will fight the good fight instead of taking advantage of some instability.

I believe that Hal decided to use the following exchange I made:

Poe (unaltered): How long has it been like this?
Zorri: Ever since Skywalker. But everyone’s only out for themselves. (Unaltered from here) I’ve saved up enough to get out…

The trouble is that, while it sounds exactly like the actress for Zorri, the voice modulation effect wasn’t quite captured by the AI. So the scene should sound pretty good, but you’ll probably be able to notice the voice modulation being gone for the wide shot and then suddenly returning for the close-up.

So if anybody has a good idea of how they did the voice modulation for Zorri’s helmet that would be very helpful for v5.

Tbh I felt the same way. I seem to remember there was an initial release of the edit which mistakenly only gave him a single, relatively quiet line before that was corrected for a full release. Maybe we should revert to that?

Yeah I like DZ’s modification. While the Republic certainly is unprepared for another war, they definitely have a capable fleet which plays a minor role in this edit. I think characterizing it as inaction due to the democratic process is fitting. It does mirror Episode 1 nicely, except this time countless worlds are being impacted and not just Naboo.

Yeah I just realized that there’s really no way for Kylo to feasibly tell Rey anything about the dagger while they’re fighting, because if he notices that she’s holding it then he instantly should know that she is on his Destroyer. And we know he disengages their conversation as soon as he knows where she is later on by noticing Vader’s mask. So it wouldn’t make too much sense for them to carry on as soon as he notices the dagger. Or, at the very least, to be surprised by saying: “So that’s where you are…”

I’m not sure that this idea would work beyond what Hal already suggested (reinstating that line). But I think a large part of the reason why people wanted that line removed is because she says it while simultaneously holding the Youngling Slayer 9000. Thing is, we already got a scary vision for that saber in TFA. Ya know, when she first held it! That’s how psychometry is supposed to work. In other words, I don’t think there’s any problem with the line. This is actually something TROS got right, and anybody who criticizes it is just nitpicking IMO.

Thanks, Darth!

Just briefly glancing at that script I don’t believe it’s real. The fact that the crawl mentions what Kylo is doing in the last paragraph with ellipses but then doesn’t start with him breaks conventional Star Wars standards. There are also too many things in it that retroactively wouldn’t make sense to have been removed later on. Like evil, vision Rey being described as having Sith eyes, but that not showing up in the final cut of TROS. And of course Finn’s Force-sensitivity, which feels half-baked and implemented at the last second with release TROS. It would be malicious to have removed this much content from his arc in a later draft.

So while I really liked the delivery of that line, it got cut short every so slightly at the end because of the AI being derpy. It’s been bugging me every time I listen to it. So I’ve gone through a bunch more generations and found a non-derped line that sounds pretty similar.

I’ve updated the links above but I’m not gonna bother posting them again lol.

I’ve updated the links. I think what was missing to really sell it is a line delivery that matches Luke’s energy of “Because you’re a Palpatine. So what. Big whoop-dee-doo.”

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jOf6lLQ7hylHb-R2GXiEen0ZcTXJyjB1/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1A6_l9ha36FIY5YT6_ggrOwX79GFo2r1Q?usp=sharing

But if this doesn’t sound right still I’ll probably just generate a bunch of options and put them in here for people to vote on. Granted, that can be hard to do without listening to his prerequisite line first.